Copying free tab on site help?

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Re: Copying free tab on site help?

Postby strumelia » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:12 pm

pbrawdy wrote:When I go to a jam I never seem to have the tune with me or i can't figure out what book I have it in. I have a ton of hammered dulcimer music in my iPad and take it to jams instead of hauling a hundred pounds of books. Now I am going to do the same for mtn dulcimer jams.


PBrawdy has stipulated that he (she?) wants to bring the tab to their mountain dulcimer jam. This is not the same thing as an open multi-instrument old-time, bluegrass, or Irish session at a pub, coffee house, or festival. Many dulcimer clubs play exclusively from tab, and if that's what PBrawdy is aiming to do then we should respect that and try to help.

I'm suggesting that PBrawdy approach this by picking out their favorite tunes from the ED tab list and transferring them in manageable chunks. Then, there are many repeats on that list that can be eliminated based on PBrawdy's preferred tunings (DAd vs DAA) and playing style (chord vs noter). And there are bound to be tunes that PBrawdy dislikes enough to want to take a bathroom break when someone starts them at a jam- I know I have a decent number of those tunes myself! :lol:
I don't think there is an easy way to transfer all the tabs together. Remember, the list of TABs on the ED tab page is just that- a list of links to the tabs. The actual tabs themselves are located each on their own pages online, I believe.
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Re: Copying free tab on site help?

Postby folkfan » Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:01 pm

Has anyone had an luck putting the tab files on ED on to their i pad or e-readers. I tried downloading one (Away Rio) on to my Nook and then couldn't find it. How are the tabs here at ED labelled. Do they come up under their individual titles or authors or as microsoft numbered files????????

I have a number of short story books that simply have a common Microsoft label with a number attached and to get them to come up under a heading, title, or author, I have to re-title and re-save each of the pdf. files. It's a nuisance so I don't do it except for my favorite authors. Other wise it's just open and see what pops out.
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Re: Copying free tab on site help?

Postby Steve Smith » Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:25 pm

I haven't copied anything to a pad or tablet, FF, but with most browsers you can see what a file is named by hovering over the link and then looking at the lower left of your screen, where it will display the link address. For "Away to Rio" at the end of the link you'll see "Away_to_Rio.pdf". That's the name of that file, and I'd expect it to come to your iPad the same way.
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Re: Copying free tab on site help?

Postby folkfan » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:11 pm

Steve, I downloaded the pdf to my e-reader (the Nook) which takes pdf files directly. It doesn't give a link address just the title that the reader picks up from the file. Depending on how long the title is sometimes only a file number, maybe the author's name, or part of the actual title shows up. It's sort of what ever comes first as it was scanned or formatted?
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Re: Copying free tab on site help?

Postby Robin the Busker » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:50 pm

PBrawdy has stipulated that he (she?) wants to bring the tab to their mountain dulcimer jam. This is not the same thing as an open multi-instrument old-time, bluegrass, or Irish session at a pub, coffee house, or festival. Many dulcimer clubs play exclusively from tab, and if that's what PBrawdy is aiming to do then we should respect that and try to help.


I missed that this was for a mountain dulcimer jam - I really don't have much experience of those!
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Re: Copying free tab on site help?

Postby Rahere » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:58 am

Might be a thought to export the Welsh Eisteddfod idea
The term literally means a sit-down meeting, but in practice it's a state-wide semi-competitive structure starting in the schools and arts colleges designed to promote both performance and individual competence from the youngest of ages - 8 is not unusual - culminating in the State-wide festival normally thought of.
That's backed up with community-wide music in the form of the chapel-based gymanfa canu, community singing, performed in parts to professional standards both at feast periods such as Christmas and the New Year and on occasion throughout the year. In addition, any number of local choirs - for example, on the family turf the other end of Wales, Morriston Tabernacle hosts its own choir, the Orpheus, and the Rugby Club, then there's Pontardulais Male Voice and about six local choirs into the bargain within a couple of miles. There's over 20 listed on the databases within about 20 miles.
Nor is that all. Often after a gymanfa the folks will knock off down the pub, and then you get the best singing of all, because there's no conductor forcing the performance into a classic style. Unofficial soloists appear, and, well, it rocks.
And that requires backing by a considerable number of instrumentalists. Whilst not as informal as you'll find in mid-Wales or the Northumbrian borderlands, so far from any mass entertainment the locals do for themselves visiting each others farms on a regular basis (much the same as the Scottish ceileidh), none the less there are no end of other ways to get together and perform. It's why that one area produced Richard Burton, Richard Harris, Catherine Zeta Jones, John Rhys-Davies, Ivor Emmanuel, Sian Phillips, the list of actors is endless too.
My own London school has a similar culture and produced Jude Law, David Hemmings, Leslie Howard, Simon Ward, Julian Glover, Sam West and the entire National Youth Theatre movement on the stage, Florence Welch, Ed Simons, Felix White, Jo Goldsmith, and a few more vocalists. My point is that it's nurture, not nature, and giving any community the opportunity will produce some stars. On the other hand, the modern musical scene, dominated by production houses, suppresses this in favour of its own creations, in a spiritually sterile environment typified by the Got Talent crew - if you don't fit their mould, you've either got to be unassailably excellent or forget it, the Susan Boyle showdown.
So why not start something similar near you? The aim isn't the competition, it's learning to work together to be the best possible, to have the self-confodence and self-possession to succeed solo, which is also a commercial asset, and maintains our traditions. That school's six hundred years old, the Welsh around two thousand and maybe more, and is to a certain extent a local precursor of communities like this. But anything starts somewhere, and has quite quick results. Why does the session have to be in the bar? Start it in a community centre or church and ajourn for some libations afterwards - bar keeps are always after something to build regular clientele, and once they know what's in the bag you'll have your choice. Their problem is finding something distinctive from pre-packaged pop pap, and we're already a step ahead. The important thing is to find your own voice, and that's easiest done from the core culture, which is why indulging the male collecting instinct can be important, it allows players to merge what's in their heads with what others have done in the field. It's the difference between being clones and performers, and that's important if music is to go anywhere. The big houses are an utter contradiction, wanting quick bucks for something fresh yet stifling the shoots from which that freshness will come, and it's part of what happens here, ideas helping players express their inner ear.
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Re: Copying free tab on site help?

Postby jakstall » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:41 pm

folkfan wrote:Has anyone had an luck putting the tab files on ED on to their i pad or e-readers. I tried downloading one (Away Rio) on to my Nook and then couldn't find it. How are the tabs here at ED labelled. Do they come up under their individual titles or authors or as microsoft numbered files????????


I've put TAB and other PDF files on both my Nook and iPad. The Nook is a little touchier and less flexible, but it can be done. As I recall, the file shows up named as whatever you named the file. I won't swear to that since it has been quite a while since I did it and only then to prove I could. I'd be happy to try again if it would help you. The transfer to the Nook is trivial. I always put non Barnes and Noble stuff on the micro-SD card I have installed. It shows up as a drive (and the Nook itself shows as a different drive) when I plug the Nook into the computer using USB. Then you just drag the files to the Nook and you're done. I always name the files with something descriptive (this doesn't work well for books, just PDF files).

For the iPad I load tab in PDF files in one of several ways. You can load them to iBooks, email them to yourself and open them from mail or use one of a number of Apps. I use Documents to Go (published by Data Viz) mainly since I also use it for Word and Excel files on my iPad. It has its own desktop program that you can use to transfer files. You can also use one of several cloud services. I've also heard good things about an App called GoodReader which reads PDF files that are loaded via email (email it to your self, select the attachment and then choose "Open In..." - this method also works in Docs to Go). I suspect you can load PDF files to GoodReader through iTunes as well, but haven't actually tried this App. In all cases I've seen files are named as they are named on your computer, so just giving the file a descriptive name (either by renaming or on creation) works. With Docs to Go you can also organize things into folders similar to what you see on a PC. There is also a free reader (TefView) for TablEdit files availble from the App store.

Frankly, I don't put much tab on my devices, but that isn't relevant to how you do it. I do put files with lyrics and sometimes lyrics and chords on the iPad which would be similar in principle to putting PDFs of TAB files on the device. For the lyrics I usually use Word format and put them on in Docs to Go since I can then add or correct lyrics.

Back to PBrawdy's originall question. I don't know an easy, non-techie way to download the files from the Everything Dulcimer (or any other) tab library. Wish I had a better idea than brute force (downloading each file individually).
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Re: Copying free tab on site help?

Postby folkfan » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:19 pm

I managed to get a tab of Away To Rio to show up on my Nook, but it took some effort. First I pulled the tab off of the ED site and put it on my desktop. I then had to relabel it as it wasn't possible to find in my unshelved files on the Nook. I'd labeled the tab as AAA Away To Rio so that I would have a limited alphabetical range of files to go through since, at the moment, I have over 1,600 files on the microcard alone. This means that I have 167 pages of titles, 50 pages of them are still unshelved. So putting the AAA at least gave me a limited number of pages to search.

The tab does show up with no problems as to the way it formats. Everything is in line and in order which doesn't always happen. I tried two other tabs, Ash Grove and Black Velvet Band. Ash Grove came up formatted correctly. Black Velvet Band though didn't come through other that the lower portion of the page that had just the words to the verses. No tab at all appeared with that one. So for the Nook, it seems as though taking the tabbed from ED would be a file by file job and each would have to be renamed before loading so that you'd know what you were getting. Black Velvet Band loaded as Untitled-1 before I renamed it. Ash Grove was Ash Grove.mus Now they are AAA Ash Grove and AAA Black Velvet Band.

And now I'm going to take the files off, because my Nooks screen is only 3.5 by 4.75 inches and all the pdfs are too small to read comfortably. I have to hold the Nook under a really strong light to read print that small.
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Re: Copying free tab on site help?

Postby mhartfield » Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:18 am

I hesitate to post this, as someone who's trying hard to wean myself from tab, but it goes to the original question :-).

pbrawdy, if you want nicely readable TAB on your iPad I recommend forScore. The app allows you to download tab using an internal browser, and supports both PDF and text tab from the web, including the ED site, I've used it for both tab formats off of ED. It also supports fairly basic annotations so that you can write a fingering note or something else on top of the PDF. Forscore shows up as a PDF handler, so that when you're in Safari you can tap the Open In button and get forScore as an option. Finally, you can also import tab by taking a photo of paper tab.

None of those import options makes it possible to slurp down the whole site, but you can import them one at a time when you find one you're interested in (or just click your way through them one afternoon when you've nothing better to do).

For library management, the app supports folders and keywording so you can distinguish your old-time tab from your blues tab or your Joplin. Once you've got a fair amount of tab it's nice that it's searchable/sortable.

Another cool feature of the app is the option to disable the sleep function while the app is open (if you're depending on the tab it's a little annoying to have the screen sleep in mid-strum).

On the "weaning yourself from tab" front, I do recommend from personal experience that you try looking up from the tab once in a while and just play along by reading hands or else just strumming chords. I know that lots of clubs are scarily unison with everyone playing exactly the same thing from the same tab, but you can start by quietly strumming chords - most songs you run into in a dulcimer session are going to use D, G and A almost exclusively, and if you can figure out the progression and teach yourself to hear the chord changes (or just play the changes one time with the tab then the second time from memory) it starts to feel a whole lot more like music rather than an exercise in hand-eye coordination, at least that's the way it works for me :-). I just can't sight-read fast enough to play along in a group, it's a lot more fun to start with chords and work my way into the song by reading hands. Most clubs are also way more tolerant of people playing off-tab than you'd think by looking at them - just because they're playing from tab on the melody string it doesn't bug them if you start chording, playing on the bass string, playing noter/drone instead of chording, etc. If it does freak people out that you're not playing along in perfect unison it's probably time to find a different club :-).

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Re: Copying free tab on site help?

Postby fortytwo » Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:44 pm

Another Ipad app you may check out is "unreal book". Several members of my club use it. No experience myself as the MS DOS Gods were outraged when I bought an Ipad 3 a couple of days ago. It would only speak Chinese so I returned it. The Geeks at Best Buy couldn't get it to speak anything but Chinese either.

I saw the member who introduced us to Unreal Book take a photo of a sheet of tab, and then import it into Unreal Book. Really cool! Now if Apple can only deliver BB one that speaks English...

For my Acer tablet (Android) I simply copy the TAB I've downloaded to my PC to an SD card or USB stick and insert it in the Acer. It's there. Unfortunately no one has written anything resembling Unreal Book, at least that I can find, for Android yet.
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Re: Copying free tab on site help?

Postby 5kwkdw3 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:18 pm

Second, I don't see why you would want to download the entire tab archive. Some is written in melody/drone style; some is written in chord/melody style. Some arrangements are great; some uh ... er ... less so.
Well you don't see many full size organs nowadays. Even most church's have void themselves of the big bulky organ and sometimes their piano as well opting instead for a "Praise Team" with a guitar, bass, and drums with a few singers. That's what happened in my church after I'd been playing organ for them over 17 years. I'd been playing for about 15 years before I started to play at the church and with the post church years I've been playing for a long time. It was during my church play that I had the thought of putting a computer screen on top of the organ and having the entire hymnal loaded. When we had "pick a hymn" evening service, I could simply punch it in rather than getting one of two very large books to look up the tune. I later thought that it would also be neat to have all of the music I've collected over the years in a similar set up. Now 40+ years of playing you end up with a lot of music books, some I play routinely, some occasionally, and I'll bet there are tunes that I've never played but would be able if someone asked to hear it. Just the thought of not having to look it up is very appealing. A data base like that could be retrieved several ways: Alphabetically, by genre, year of publication, motion picture tunes, and yes Hymns. 75 books into one system, sign me up! Now for the dulcimer guy, if someone asked if he/she could play X or Y tune, they'd first try to find it on ED's tab, but if they already had all the tab then they could search for it via. one of the above described methods. And if ED didn't have it, the search would come up blank. I have over the years printed out the pdf files from ED and put them into a binder. But, what if you didn't have to? Just flip on your computer/ibook or what ever electronic device and read the music off the screen. No paper. No having to arrange single printed copies, and yes you'd have it all. Just a thought. Kevin.
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Re: Copying free tab on site help?

Postby TABLEDIT » Thu May 17, 2012 5:34 am

TEFpad is a lite version of TablEdit designed for the iPad.
Just like TEFview for iOS, the free file viewer, TEFpad opens, displays and plays all .tef files and imports many types of music files (ASCII tablatures, ABC files, MusicXML, MIDI, Guitar Pro, PowerTab ...).
In addition to this, TEFpad lets you create new tablature arrangements from scratch. Existing .tef files created with TablEdit or imported files can also be edited in TEFpad but you won't be able to save more than the 16 first measures.
The .tef files saved with TEFpad can of course be reopened and completed in TablEdit.
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tefpad/id517830471?ls=1&mt=8
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